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Best nations to choose including dynasties

 
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Narcissus1



Joined: Mar 23, 2020
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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2020 3:22 pm    Post subject: Best nations to choose including dynasties Reply with quote

What do you guys are the best nations to choose?
Of course the board matters, but let us just discuss the nations on their own.
My top 5 is:
1. Rome
2. Japan
3. Persia
4. Mongolia
5. Egypt

Bottom 5:
1. Portugal
2. Greece
3. Vikings
4. China
5. Poland
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Riku



Joined: Jan 30, 2017
Posts: 5

PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2020 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I play mostly 5ers. Here is my strong and weak nations in vacuum:

Strong:
1. Rome
2. China
3. America
4. Greece
5. Persia

Weak:
1. Mali
2. Arabs
3. Portugal
4. Vikings
5. Ethiopia
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Logitude



Joined: Jan 06, 2020
Posts: 15

PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2020 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's some data from the previous BGG tournament:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WG5yJZODzcl8gf0oPl5Ijw0kkQvI_qcD2GSvK_PoD8o/edit#gid=1760889923

Some things to keep in mind are that these are all 4-player games, and there's one rule change, which is that Korea's starting ability only grants it one architect per golden age, not two.

I mostly agree with what the stats show. Persia is very strong. Korea without the nerf is also very strong. Mali and America are quite weak. The one I disagree with most is Poland. I think it's stronger than its showing in the tournament would suggest. I'm not the greatest player or anything though, and still fairly new to the game.
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Riku



Joined: Jan 30, 2017
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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2020 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

America is far more powerful in 5er than in 4er, because Democratic Republicans hit in basic situation 2 persons (so the action is twice as good), there is more dynasties to affect (I mean more players means more opportunities) and books give more points. Just to say that player count and difficulty level affect quite much to nations powers.
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Sten



Joined: Mar 10, 2018
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Logitude"]Here's some data from the previous BGG tournament:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WG5yJZODzcl8gf0oPl5Ijw0kkQvI_qcD2GSvK_PoD8o/edit#gid=1760889923

Can you explain the spreadsheet? Is it saying that no one who took SunTsu came first, and if you took the Sphinx, you only won if you were the third or fourth player?
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Logitude



Joined: Jan 06, 2020
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 29, 2020 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LordChambers, will you explain the tables on the right of the Season 3 stats sheet? What do the 3’s and 4’s mean under Sun Tzu and Sphinx?

My guess is that “4” means 4th choice of nation, thus first to act during the action phase, not 4th in initial turn order. Just a guess though.

This season, in one of the matches where I had last choice of nation, I took Sphinx with my first action and won with an 8-point lead, I think in large part because Sphinx:

http://www.mabiweb.com/modules.php?name=GM_Nations&g_id=79964&op=view_game_reset
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LordChambers



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 30, 2020 7:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Logitude wrote:
LordChambers, will you explain the tables on the right of the Season 3 stats sheet? What do the 3’s and 4’s mean under Sun Tzu and Sphinx?

No, because I don't understand myself. This is the work of siegfried_cf. He can elaborate.
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Mwak



Joined: Jan 22, 2019
Posts: 2

PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LordChambers wrote:
Logitude wrote:
LordChambers, will you explain the tables on the right of the Season 3 stats sheet? What do the 3’s and 4’s mean under Sun Tzu and Sphinx?

No, because I don't understand myself. This is the work of siegfried_cf. He can elaborate.


I believe it works as follows.
With this table :
https://i.imgur.com/ETFqVmy.png

It means that in Main and Open Divisions combined, 5 people who finished the game 2nd picked Sun Tzu.
Among these players, two were the first to go on first round (we can assume they picked Sun Tzu first thing), one was second to go on the first round, and two were 3rd to go.

I am surprised noone who picked Sun Tzu won the game during S3.

Sten wrote:

Can you explain the spreadsheet? Is it saying that no one who took SunTsu came first, and if you took the Sphinx, you only won if you were the third or fourth player?


Noone who took Sun Tzu came first indeed. But your logic for the Sphinx is backwards. It's not that the Sphinx is somehow better for 3rd or 4th player, but that picking it first thing as if it was a top priority wonder may actually hurt someone, especially with a more aggro board.
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